Barbare11a / Vultures / Chambers of the Heart @ The Wheatsheaf, Oxford, 13/11/2009

Chambers of the Heart, eh? Could go two ways, I thought. It’s either Grey’s Anatomy, and we should expect a cold, clinical, ultra-rationalist German miserablism, or it’s Catherine Cookson and we should be primed for excruciating power ballads, probably sung by Alexandra Burke. In the event, COTH turned out to be four earnest progsters jamming away for thirty minutes without a break, blissfully unaware of any obligations towards a paying audience-they barely acknowledged our existence. To be fair, they covered a fair bit of stylistic ground: classic rock riffing, a Madchester nostalgia trip, relentless disco pounding and avant-gard noise were all mixed up in there, punctuated by the odd more lyrical moment (though that may just have been them taking a breather). The concept felt rather Seventies, as if I’d wandered into ‘The Rotter’s Club’. Indeed, I half expected some bearded apostle of the band to grab me by the arm and tell me not to leave because, “in ten minutes it starts to get more accessible”. The band is pretty accomplished, as you might expect from a group containing members of International Jetsetters and Spiral 25, but it’s ultimately a bunch of musos jamming on the same chord for an age. If I need that I’ll dig out my copy of Das Rheingold.

Another band which failed to connect was Vultures,  playing for only twenty minutes and looking scared out of their wits. They are a supposedly spiky three-piece, making unremarkable youth club pop-rock. Lead singer and guitarist Cameron Grote will be familiar to fans of the long defunct Warhen: he was the drummer back then, and a very brilliant one too. Why drummers feel the need to don guitars is an interesting psychological question- don’t they feel loved back there?- but Grote did not reveal any great untapped talent: his voice is small, yelpy, not very tuneful and lacks any presence or emotional depth. The band itself was tight but sounded too often like a cut-price Kinks or Supergrass’s me-too kid brother. And again, perhaps because of nerves, there was no connection with the still-healthy audience. I mean, cripes, even Jedward puts on a show.

Ah yes, that audience. There were, in Bugs Bunny’s immortal words, quite a lot of homely dames in it, and all was revealed when headliners Barbare11a took to the stage. Imagine Eddie Izzard fronting The Velvet Underground, with the front row of the audience camping it up as much as the band, and one can explain the vast over-representation of transvestites in the room. Still, at least Barbarella made an impact, after the studious neglect of COTH and the rabbit-in-the-headlights terror of Vultures.

Musically, the set started poorly, with a piece of plodding widdly-guitar classic rock, but they hit their stride on the second number-a slice of savvy Depeche-Mode electro-rock and continuing with what could only be called Weimar cabaret funeral music. The band has a weary, ramshackle feel, as if it thinks it is soundtracking the end of a chapter in civilisation. (What with the widespread collapse of trust in political institutions, endless war and ever-more-apocalyptic warnings about The Warming, maybe it is). They rather ran out of steam on the second half of the set, revived by a version of Cab Calloway’s ‘Minnie the Moocher’, and the suspicion lurks that they need a few more good tunes before making the next step up. A thought: if I were their manager I would be cultivating Joe Swarbrick and co. at the moment, because a Borderville UK tour backed by these guys would be quite an event. And no doubt the touring van, as it swung around the circle, would be constantly pursued by a rapacious pack of Avon Ladies.

Barbare11a Myspace

Vultures Myspace

Chambers of the Heart Myspace

  • Al COTH

    Thanks Colin. Eruditely put. We gotta go get some bearded apostles…

  • gopher1882

    I agree. But only with the comment my mate made about you being a c**t!!!!

  • Alexandra’s Burke Evil Twin Sister

    “…ultimately a bunch of musos jamming on the same chord for an age.”

    that’s the whole point innit…

  • Al COTH

    *points down at 3* What she said. Innit.

  • http://www.fatneck.com Lucifer Vegas

    Vultures are a FOUR PIECE you wankstain ! Fair enough if you didnt like em, everyones entitled to their own opinion, but at least get yer facts right. Did you not SEE the bass guitarist ?!

  • Beaver Fuel

    Jesus, people, I think you might want to look into getting all that sand out of your vagina…

  • http://www.gappytooth.com gappy

    I dunno, I think getting the number of members wrong is a bit of a faux pas, & worth poin ting out. Everything else about the review is fine by me, that’s how C-Mac’s ears picked up the sounds that night.

  • Beaver Fuel

    Well, yes, it is, but it doesn’t seem worth getting so angry and aggressive about it! Besides, no-one cares about bass players anyway 😉

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “Vultures are a FOUR PIECE you wankstain ! Fair enough if you didnt like em, everyones entitled to their own opinion, but at least get yer facts right. Did you not SEE the bass guitarist ?!”

    Er… as far as I’m aware Vultures are a three piece now.

    They used to be a four piece but their bass player (also bass player with Raggasaurus) can’t play anymore due to an injury.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “Well, yes, it is, but it doesn’t seem worth getting so angry and aggressive about it!”

    I doubt it had anything to do with the review itself.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    By the way, who is the comment at #2 aimed at?

  • jamess

    the way i read it, #2 comment was made about the Colmeister. Which makes him useful.
    popcorn?

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    Was there a deleted comment or something then because I’m slightly confused as to the context of comment #2 or have I just missed something blatently obvious?

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    I have one small piece of criticism (quick take cover!)

    Hyphens? Is there a glut of them or is there some kind of hyphen conspiracy going on?

    I counted 20 hyphens in the above article and possibly only 3 or 4 I think are actually necessary!

    “Depeche-Mode”?

    Has someone replaced Colin’s space bar with the hyphen key?

  • um??

    Vultures were a four piece on the night too, with a different bassist. This time from A Silent Film I believe.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    Sorry one more thing:

    This sentence:

    “(What with the widespread collapse of trust in political institutions, endless war and ever-more-apocalyptic warnings about The Warming, maybe it is). ”

    I think the full stop should be inside the brackets not outside.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “Vultures were a four piece on the night too, with a different bassist. This time from A Silent Film I believe.”

    OK fair enough, I wasn’t actually there but had been told they were now a 3 piece so thought it was possible some kind of confusion occured on the part of the person using the issue to attack Colin. Perhaps they have a valid point and certainly there’s a large catalogue of mistakes made in these reviews however I think the comment about it was a bit out of order.

  • Big Tim

    I can confirm that on Saturday night at the Port, Vultures played as a 4-piece. Whether this is the norm, a continuing state of affairs or just a fleeting moment I cannot say.

    However I quite liked them. It’s not groundbreaking stuff but on Saturday it was great fun, fast tempos, great attention to arrangements and played with aplomb.

    Nice.

  • Steve

    “I mean, cripes, even Jedward puts on a show.”

    Isn’t that the thing everyone is up at arms about with Jedward, they put on a show but are ultimately shite?
    Surely for a local review comparing “proper” bands to X-Factor contestants is a bit off the mark?
    In fact the whole review talks more about the stage prescence of the bands than the actual music.

  • colinmackinnon

    Hi folks,

    Yup, I put my hand up and apologise to Vultures. Bit careless of me not to wander to the front and check the lineup. I was confused by their Myspace page, which only credits three players. I stand by my criticisms of the set, though.

    Steve makes an interesting point. My feeling is that simply turning up and playing doesn’t really cut it any more, and when people come to a gig they want to feel they are part of an event. Far more credible artists than Jedward have come to the same conclusion: for a local take on it, read the Nightshift interview with Borderville. The Flaming Lips’ Wayne Coyne on his current tour performs a song on the shoulders of a man dressed up as a gorilla. OK-that’s an extreme take on it, but I still think that some sort of human connection with the audience is vital to modern performance.

    Joe-I got a BOGOF offer of hyphens from the local Wantage Poundstretchers. Come to think of it, any more critics of my hyphenating can BOGOF.

  • matt

    I agree with big tim, they were great on saturday night and have been pretty good everytime iv seen them befor. It’s interesting you mention nerves and lack of connection with the audiance as my experience of vultures is the polar oppersite! They always seem pretty cool and confident playing on stage, which isnt suprising as they have all been or are in other fairly succsessful bands. Plus iv seen them walm a crowd close to the point of boiling over into mass pogo multipul times. maybe they were having an off night? My opinion; vultures are great.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “My feeling is that simply turning up and playing doesn’t really cut it any more”

    That’s just your opinion though isn’t, it’s not a fact.

    I thought the point people were making is that it depends on your expectations and taste.

    How about replacing COTH here with Hreda for example? Do they put on a show? I’ve seen them play with their backs to the audience, yet still popular and just as valid. That’s because I think they come from the school of thinking where they prefer to let the music convey the emotion. Some people like that, some don’t. So it goes.

    being honest about it Colin I feel that people think that sometimes you appear to miss the point of some bands and try to fit them into your own musical sphere, I’m not saying that is wrong but from several comments made that does appear to be many people’s perception of it. I’m not suggesting your reviews are wrong or less valid than others, that’s just how you feel about a band. I think for diversity though it may be work better if certain people reviewed certain types of bands, Nightshift possibly do this, Ronan even plays different characters for different reviews and I think that’s a good way of doing things, I think the key to that is having as open an attitude about music as possible.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “Joe-I got a BOGOF offer of hyphens from the local Wantage Poundstretchers. Come to think of it, any more critics of my hyphenating can BOGOF.”

    Well that’s fine, it’s your writing style and I’m just a lad who got a Y for English GCSE the first time I did them and then an E or an F the second time I failed them. However, I do know that hyphens affect the way you read things if you use them properly and I’m not sure that you are using them properly.

    Now this could seem a little nit picky but you are a reviewer and if no-one points certain things out to you and you don’t have the will to question yourself then you won’t know about it. Perhaps I’ve got the use of hyphens wrong? Perhaps I’m too picky but to me using 20 hyphens in a small review seems excessive and getting on towards using excessive exclamation marks.

    I heard a programme about hyphens on Radio 4 recently where an English expert talked about the creeping overuse of hyphens and lack of understanding about them.

    Maybe I’m just being a bit too conservative about language? I’m not really qualified on this so perhaps someone can put me straight.

  • Big Tim

    Colin: “My feeling is that simply turning up and playing doesn’t really cut it any more”

    Joe: That’s just your opinion though isn’t, it’s not a fact.

    it Is just a opinion, but I think Colin’s right. I don’t think anyone turns up at the Wheatsheaf expecting flame throwers, troops of dancing girls, “look at me I’m the singer” ramps or any of that stuff, but over the last few years there has definitely been an increase in both the need and the desire for bands to put on a little bit more of a show than just 3 or 4 guys in jeans & t-shirts shoe-gazing onstage. It’s the whole inherent problem with your average acoustic singer-songwriter – there’s nothing happening onstage, just a lone person strumming & singing a bit. Even if the songs are amazing it’s never going to be a spectacle or a lively show. Same with most lap-top/electronica guys.

    I’d love it all to still be *just about the music*, but unless your band is truly unique or simply incredible at a certain form of music (and I think Hreda fall into that category in terms of local uniqueness) you’re always going to be trying to stand out from the crowd. If you’re music is good but you sit in a genre where there are lots of other good bands (I’d use Wookies as an example there – decent sized fish in a massive pond of other decent sized fish) then you need to add a little extra something to make folks remember you.

  • colinmackinnon

    All fair comment from Joe and Tim.

    Referring to comment 22, Ronan may use noms de plumes, but he’s still Ronan, and will bring his critical perspective to whatever bands he happens on.He is a single consciousness and doesn’t change when his pseudonym changes-gosh, this is getting a bit deep!

    Also, I don’t particularly like the idea of avoiding gigs in case there are bands that I might not get- on the contrary I love being surprised by a band that I’ve never heard of- in the case of the gig reviewed above I knew nothing about any of them! That’s the fun of being a gig-goer. But I do agree that it’s best if we have a multiplicity of perspectives on our local bands- that’s why myself, Ronan, Tim, Alex, Stuart, Dan, Simon, David etc. can all cheerfully agree to disagree about various groups, local and national (Ronan’s even forgiven me for dissing Bat for Lashes!). And this site always welcomes new contributors.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    I think the word “need” is a bit strong. I understand that perhaps there is in this country a shift in expectations or desires of what people want out of a gig though and there may be a case to say that if bands don’t put on more of a show then gigs won’t get so many punters in.

    I don’t know how you measure this, prove it.

    I disagree that it is an inherent problem with singer songwriters, that’s a generalisation. Some people have presence, some people project better than others, some people over do it but what is certainly common is that if you are a solo acoustic singer songwriter type and you don’t have enough stage presence people will tend to talk over your songs more.

    Different with a band like COTH though, the overriding point I think is that they are just not that sort of band, they are doing what they are doing because they are like that, they are essentially a jam band, a very good one at that.

    “…unless your band is truly unique or simply incredible at a certain form of music (and I think Hreda fall into that category in terms of local uniqueness) you’re always going to be trying to stand out from the crowd.”

    TROT?

    Why are we always going to be trying to stand out from the crowd? That seems like another assumption and generalisation, I’m a little surprised at the rigidness of some of the comments about music around here.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “Referring to comment 22, Ronan may use noms de plumes, but he’s still Ronan, and will bring his critical perspective to whatever bands he happens on.He is a single consciousness and doesn’t change when his pseudonym changes-gosh, this is getting a bit deep!”

    Sorry but not really!

    Yes he does change when his Pseudonym changes. He’s Oxford music’s equivelent to Worzel Gummidge. I mean that in the nicest possible way and after all Gummidge was played by Jon Pertwee.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    Colin, I do appreciate the angle you add to local music, I think we need the diversity, we shouldn’t all agree, I don’t even agree with myself much of the time.

    I also see that people will pick up on certain things and those things will be used to form an opinion about the writer, especially when the writer is a critic of sorts.

    If it weren’t for these comments it would be a one way thing really. It’s only until very recently in human history that the average person has been able to publish things like this so easily or be able to comment on them. We are all in effect, I think, new to this.

  • Big Tim

    I don’t think “Need” or “Demand” are too strong a word at all here.We’re at a stage in the development of music where there is more and more music available in dozens of mediums, far more than any one punter can consume and absorb, and where it’s so easy and widespread for anyone to obtain and start playing an instrument. Strong songs and songwriting are a pre-requisite for success these days, but that’s not enough on its own. Sure, for radio there’s not much more you can ask for, but any kind of visual medium, be it a gig, a promo video, a TV performance, a vodcast, whatever, requires something extra, the thing that makes people say “did you see such & such?”. Everything has to be an event, an extravaganza, to a greater or lesser degree. These days just turning up and playing isn’t enough 90% of the time. There has to be something more, otherwise it’s just playing the record loud.

    It’s both a blessing and a curse, because on the one hand the punter gets a better, more enjoyable show (hopefully!) but on the downside you get bands becoming famous because of a visual/performance gimmick when in fact they are totally redundant musically. Mind you, when has that ever NOT been the case? Beauty and pyro rule pop more than anything else.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying every local gig should be like an episode of the X Factor. Ultimately it IS still about the music. But people who think about the larger picture of their presentation will have an upper hand when it comes to recognition.

  • http://www.gappytooth.com gappy

    “Lap-top”; “Gig-goer”.

    Come on, boys, you’re just goading him now.

  • Ronan

    Over-hyphenation is the death knell for the semi-colon; it’s a shame because it’s such a lovely little punctuation mark.

  • http://www.gappytooth.com gappy

    Bull-shit

    ; )

  • Platesmasher

    ;_; -_-

    Well, for a lot of bands not presenting a performative image onstage is every bit an image/performance gimmick in itself. It’s just that as a signifier of “authenticity” it’s quite popular now the whole business of being in a guitar band playing a toilet venue is apparently in opposition to being one of those big shiny airbrushed pop star types. In the right hands looking like you’ve just turned up and don’t give a toss is gut-punchingly cool in itself – it’s just that secretly it takes as much work, forethought or luck to pull off as the more obvious approach.

    I’m not sure if the above paragraph means anything or if it was just an excuse to post those kawaii little Japanese emoticons ^_^

  • Al COTH

    As I see it, in Oxford especially, the bands are the “crowd” generally; given that most people you meet at gigs are other musicians. Anyway, we stand out because we are at least 400 years old (apart from Chris). Took a lot of work to get them grey hairs…and a lot of fags and booze to get them wrinkles. Anyway, never got the point of speaking to the audience, they rarely ever speak to us!

    It was, however, an unusual gig for us in as much we usually give the audience a breather. We chose not to, this time. Expect dancing ponies, go-go dancers and a Red Arrows flypast at the next one. And a nice sit down and a cosy chat.

  • Al COTH

    Oh yeah, please note correct use of semi-colons, hyphens, and for grammar Nazis I’ve given you a spurious Oxford comma to spot. I need a new hobby…

  • phill

    It’s funny that apeople on here are saying that bands need to put on a show when probably only about 3 bands in Oxford do this – Smilex, Borderville and Barbare11a.
    So why don’t your bands do it?

  • Mr M COTH

    Hmmm… interesting discussion. We just play music that we like and don’t really care if you like us or hate us. In fact, we would rather you hate us as that way we have nobody to please but ourselves.

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    “So why don’t your bands do it?”

    Do what exactly?

    Does your band do whatever it is? Does it really matter that much?

  • phill

    Put on a show

  • http://www.spiral25.com/ Joe

    What do you mean by “show” though?

    I’m not standing on stage wearing tights and a pair of underpants over them if that’s what you’re expecting. I prefer to do that in the privacy of my own home.

    Isn’t this subjective though?

    Personally I find some stage acts a little off putting and I’d rather go see 4 or 5 blokes playing music that I like but who stare at the floor than go see a band with a stage act I don’t like.

    I’m trying to imagine COTH doing something other than what they do but they do what they do because they are who they are and well.. whatever. Some people like that sort of thing, others don’t.

    It almost seems as if some people are trying to apply some kind of universal formula for how best to behave on stage.

    There’s a difference between lazy and simply not being the sort of musician that jumps up and down.

    I saw Oasis at the peak of their success at Glastonbury festival, they did not put on a show as far as I was concerned, they still managed to sell millions of albums and play to millions of people. Although, to be fair it’s probably the main reason they didn’t make it in America and why I thought they weren’t much cop. However, they gave the impression that they were so great and had a certain thing about them which made me expect more of a ‘show’, I was mistaking attitude for talent there maybe. When I went to see COTH I knew that they were a loose collective of musicians who just enjoy jamming out that kind of thing, I was under no expectations, I wasn’t disappointed.

    Personally I think this whole argument stems from people having certain expectations and standards, that up to the individual, I prefer to go along with an open mind or manage my own expectations.

  • phill

    I wasn’t the one suggesting bands had to put on a show – I was just asking why those people who said it (colin, tim, etc) don’t actually put on a show in their bands.

  • Big Tim

    Drunkenstein: working towards it. Currently putting together new material which is itself throwing up a lot of ideas for doing more than just turning up and playing. We’re not talking full-blown stage sets or owt (unless it’s a 6″ recreation of Stonehenge) but things are in the pipeline for next year.

    Junkie Brush: played many gigs, themed nights and events where we did more than just turn up in jeans & t-shirts. NBC suits, halloween nights, yadda yadda. OK, not exactly known as a fancy-dress band but we were & are always concious that you need to do more than just turn up and play the songs exactly as they are on the CD.

    I’ve also played for Mary’s Garden, famed for their stage sets, themed stage clothes and so on. Also did a gig with Laima as part of her solo backing band (“The Bangkok Chick Boys) where we all, including Colin, donned dresses. Played for the Evenings, widely known for their evening dress. And so on…

    So no, I’m not claiming to be the epitome and personification of outrageous stage entertainment and lavish shows, but I’m not spouting this stuff without some foundation.

  • Big Tim

    I’d also like to add that I very clearly wasn’t suggesting that everyone should be trying to be like the Flaming Lips or Britney Spears at every show. I was simply saying that there’s so many good bands out there now that an aspiring act needs to have a little something extra to make them stand out.

  • colinmackinnon

    The Halcyons played Oct 31 as a Bat, a wizard, Freddy Kruger, Jason from Friday 13th and Beelzebub. Game, set and match, Phill!

    Only joking- Phill has a point, and indeed the lack of a ‘show’ is something we’re addressing in the Halcyons. To be honest, I think Emma’s joshing with the audience is quite entertaining- there are lots of ways bands can connect, but I do object to certain bands giving the impression that they are playing for themselves.

    Its not that I hate COTH, by the way- but I certainly prefer the musicians’ ‘parent’ bands.

    Also, congrats to Joe and Chris: one of their Spiral 25 songs made it into the Nightshift Top 20.

  • phill

    Dressing up doesn’t mean putting on a show

  • http://www.myspace.com/MyFriendRachel Martin Newton

    Haven’t been to this site for a while – thought I’d drop in …

    And now i remember why i haven’t been here for a while.

    Vultures are one of my favourite Oxford bands by the way …

    Drummers who sing – Phil Collins – bad example – Dave Grohl – good example – Cameron – somewhere nearer Grohl than Collins.

  • Big Tim

    Phill: Dressing up doesn’t mean putting on a show

    On it’s own, no, it doesn’t. Neither does a bit of dancing. Neither does setting fire to your crotch. Neither does playing a guitar solo.

    Taken in isolation there’s not many aspects of performance that do constitute a show on their own. It’s a combination of things.

    What would you like to see in a show Phill? Other than greased up muscley men in tight pants..?

  • phill

    Apart from greased up muscley men in tight pants? That’s all you need isn’t it? Well, if not, then I’d also like to see:

    1. Someone going through a table
    2. Someone going through a table whilst it is on fire
    3. Someone getting hit by a steel chair
    4. Someone getting electrocuted in the nuts using car jump leads
    5. Someone getting stunned by a taser.
    6. Someone doing an experimental art piece by flexing their pecs in time to the music
    7. Someone stealing one of the other band’s dead father’s body at his funeral by chaining up the coffin to a car and driving off
    8. An old lady giving birth to a hand
    9 .Midgets
    10. Mick Foley going off the top of the cell.

  • http://www.gappytooth.com gappy

    Would Ady Foley be a suitable alternative?

  • Big Tim

    @ Phill:

    I’d probably pay to see that too…