At a gig

How to run a gig: a band’s perspective

A message/plea to promoters from a jobbing band/musician
From an anonymous musician

The background

I’m an Oxford-based musician and play in a small-time local band that gigs regularly, usually several times a month at least. I’ve also played in numerous other bands on the Oxford scene over the last ten years, most of which have been equally small scale – you may possibly know some of the names, but none of them ever got properly successful. I’ve played well over 150 gigs in that time, mainly in Oxford or around Oxfordshire, and my current band have accounted for some 60+ of those of gigs over seven years. We’ve played everything from toilets to festivals, big venues to tiny sheds, supporting big, nationally touring bands and headlining cupboards. This, I feel, qualifies me to make a plea not only on my own behalf, but on behalf of all small-time, jobbing, hard-working but largely small-time bands that play gigs regularly.

We’ve noticed a distinct and worrying drop in the standards of promoters in Oxford. Not all of them – some still stand head and shoulders above the rest, and the big guns have pretty much got it together as you would expect – but we’ve played an increasing number of small-ish scale gigs at the main Oxford venues over the last three-four years, for so-called promoters, which have been very badly run and who made the whole experience fraught with frustrations, lack of information and general disorganization. This has been evident both from promoters who are new on the block and also a lot of supposedly seasoned promoters who we think really should know better. One recent experience has prompted me to write this piece, but it’s more than just the one occasion that has lead up to it.

We as a band are very easy going; we are very experienced and we are as professional as a band of our standing can be expected to be. We can set up and soundcheck within 15 minutes. We know we can arrive at a venue and, as long as there is a functional PA, we will be able to put on a show to a high standard. We have all the gear a band needs to possess in order to function – amps, drums, instruments, even bits of PA stuff like mics, cables, stands and mixers, should the need arise. We don’t fuck about, and we put 100% into every gig. This may sound like bragging, but in truth I have never been in a band that didn’t have that same attitude and approach, and just about all the dozens, possibly even hundreds of other bands we’ve met on the circuit have much the same approach. You get the odd one who don’t have a clue, or act like dickheads, but most bands with any gigging experience get their organization and professionalism down pretty quickly. If you don’t, you tend to get a bad reputation – or at least a sharp word – from the other bands on the bill for screwing around too much. Bands on the same wavelength muck in for each other, the rest get left to fend for themselves.

The problem

With all that in place, let me get on to the meat of my gripe. When we accept a gig, we are booked because the promoter expects something from us: a good show, some good songs, and most importantly some paying fans through the door. Likewise, when we accept that gig we expect something from the promoter. In fact, more than ‘something’, we expect quite a lot of things from the promoter. The bare minimum we as a band need to know, loosely in order, is:

  • Date & venue of the gig
  • Ticket price, plus any info on advance tickets, where to buy etc
  • Names of all the bands playing
  • Load-in time (when we’re expected to be there with our gear – very different from soundcheck time)
  • Soundcheck time
  • Stage times/running order
  • Kit share – who is bringing what, what we are expected to bring ourselves, whose gear we are borrowing and who expects to borrow our gear
  • Contact info for the other bands – names, phone numbers, email addresses, websites/Facebook/Myspace etc for them
  • A poster or flyer for the gig, digital or printed
  • Any Facebook or other web links for the show
  • Payment structure/fees for the gig – are we taking a cut of the total door money, or a ticket cut, and if so how much of a percentage? Are we playing for free or do we have a flat fee?
  • Any other pertinent info which may have a bearing on the show – for example if it’s a charity show, a festival with no sound checks, whether under 18s can attend, guestlists, whatever you think is important.

All that information needs to be communicated to us a minimum of two weeks before the gig, and preferably a lot earlier than that. A month in advance is nice, unless we’re booked short-notice, in which case we’ll take whatever we can. It is much preferable if all of the information is included in a single, concise email which all the bands are copied in on. We need to know these things in order to email our mailing lists, add the events to our own websites/Facebook etc, spam forums, distribute flyers/posters, organize ourselves around the times we’re expected to be there, and to organize the gear sharing. The more time we have to do that, the better the outcome will be for all.

None of this is hard, but it seems increasingly rare for bands to be communicated this kind of information by the promoter, when it’s critical in order for us to be able to do our bit to make the gig a success. I keep hearing promoters complaining about bands not putting in the legwork themselves to bring their fans, and I can understand that – to a certain extent – because bands are notoriously lazy on the whole. But if we don’t have this information available to us, what can we do? We spend a lot of time making websites, Facebook pages, collecting mailing lists and so on, which are our fans’ ports of call to find out what we’re up to. How can they find anything out if we don’t have any information to put on our sites or in our mail-outs? What’s the point if we only have half the information?

Facebook

Facebook has become a menace and made many promoters lazy. Too many promoters are relying on making a Facebook event and nothing more. Sure, Facebook is an important part of the advertising process, but it is not and should not be the only thing you do. If you have made a Facebook event then you must have an email address, and be on the internet yourself, and therefore must be able to find out ours with a little effort. If we’ve done our job right, it should be a breeze to find our contact info.

How to do it right

That leads on to this point: communicate directly to us on our own band email address. Don’t rely on us trawling through Facebook to find the event, or a post on the promoter’s personal wall, for information. There’s so much crap on Facebook that a post disappears off the ‘Recent activity’ list quickly, and it’s very easy for people to miss it entirely. You should ensure that you make an official Facebook event and pass that link on to all the bands so that they all link to the official event, rather than making their own. Don’t post critical information about the gig only on the Facebook event – tell us directly of any changes to lineup, running order, etc. We may know about the Facebook event, but we don’t check it every day to find out about the mechanics of the gig. We expect that information to be given directly to us. Most of what we need doesn’t belong on a public Facebook event – it is privately passed between the promoter and bands.

The information about soundcheck and gear sharing is important. It is only polite, if you are a supporting band, to check with the other bands about who is providing gear for you to use. It leads to very awkward situations if that hasn’t been done in advance. If we’re headlining and providing gear for a show, we expect to have been approached by the supporting bands to discuss what they need to bring in addition to what we’re providing. It gets very hard if a band turns up to soundcheck and hasn’t sorted this out. Quite often, it means that they haven’t brought the right gear, and need to borrow something which is off-limits, like cymbals, amp heads or snare drum. What do you do? Tell them, quite rightly, to fuck off, and thereby prevent them from playing? Or allow them to borrow your gear and run the risk of them cracking a £200 cymbal, putting a stick through your snare drum or blowing valves or speakers in your expensive guitar amp, thus making it impossible for you to play, and costing you money?

This goes back to the point about bands mucking in together. Organising gear sharing is much easier with bands you know personally, and quite often you’ll allow someone to use your amp head or snare drum if you know them and know they’ll respect it. If you’re playing with total unknowns then the exact opposite becomes true. They will invariably not be allowed to use your ‘off-limits’ gear.

On a similar note, a big problem at gigs in small venues is storage for equipment. Invariably it is much better for the bands to share as much equipment as possible, and for them each to bring as little as possible. This saves space, makes the changeovers quicker and means you don’t end up with two drum kits, ten amps and three bass rigs all fighting for storage space. Similarly, it is important to know in advance if there is some configuration change required, such as a left-handed drummer. Even with the most easy-going of drummers, this is a kit sharing nightmare, and any advance warning and planning that can be done is to everyone’s advantage. If the guy turns up on the night and promptly disassembles the drum kit with no prior warning, there is likely to be a fight, not to mention it taking an additional 15 minutes of setting up either side. All of this is easily avoided if we have communications in place in advance.

The tipping point for me was when we were recently confirmed for a gig, and when I asked the promoter to email me the details of it, he openly laughed at me and told me he didn’t have time for things like that. Well, fuck you. If you can’t even be bothered to communicate directly to the people that are playing the gig for you, then I wish you the very worst of luck for your event and will not be sorry to miss it. There are plenty of better gigs to play.

Why to do it right

It takes time and effort to run a gig, but it’s not rocket science, it’s just organization. Too many people seem to be putting gigs on just to say they booked the bands, but have no concept of how to organise the event itself. They’re just playing at being a promoter. My own band is very DIY-oriented and respects anyone who puts in the time and effort to run a gig, and we’ll muck in as much as possible. We’ve organized and promoted quite a few gigs ourselves, and are happy to play for anyone, anytime, anywhere. But please, put the time and effort in to organise and communicate properly, otherwise you’re screwing with the very people who are making your event happen in the first place – the bands. It’s all about the bands and the music, not about massaging your ego just because it’s your name at the top of the poster. If you run a good event, people will start to recognize you as a good promoter who puts on good shows. If the bands all think you’re a disorganized dickhead, it won’t last long.

So, if any of you current or would-be promoters out there are feeling that any of this applies to you, and a lot of you should be feeling that, I have one piece of advice: go and talk to Gappy Tooth Industries. They’ve got it down to a fine art, and it’s to their eternal credit that they manage to keep their events running as smoothly as they do. GTI gave us our first gig some seven years ago, and we’ve been involved in a number of events for them over the years. Their communication is always immaculate and leaves you in no doubt as to what is happening. A single email with all the information laid out clearly, concisely and in full, poster attached, everything needed. They’ve successfully applied this to small, three/four band gigs and to full blown three-day, 30+ band festivals, for nigh-on ten years. It doesn’t stop all kinds of shenanigans happening, but it cuts out most of the avoidable crap of the process. And everyone‘s life is happier for it.

I’ll finish by saying that most of the bands I’ve come across are very easy going when it comes to playing this kind of small scale gig. We do it mainly because we love doing it; not to make a fortune or to fuck groupies on the back stairs of the Wheatsheaf. Soundchecks will always happen, one way or another; the bands will always work it out and work with each other to get things done.

But don’t think that I’m overstating the case. There is a lot of time, effort, cost, and stress put into any gig from the band’s side of things. This could be easily avoided for both the bands and the promoter if there was just a little more organization carried out in advance. That responsibility lies solely in the hands of the promoter. It’s your gig, not ours. You need to make the arrangements, not us. You need to lay down the groundwork and framework for it to happen, not rely on us knowing the ropes and muddling through. You need to be in control of your event.

  • Guest

    Very well put. It’s rare to have all the info laid out for you in advance and stuff like gear share is all too often a last minute hassle. 95% of gigs at a local level are unpaid so bands really do these gigs for the love of it, even playing to empty rooms. With a bit more organization and communication maybe the audience for local music might grow.

  • GB

    This article will definitely serve well for upcoming promoters and I hope those who follow music-in-oxford will read the info and take note. I did however think about bands/musicians from previous decades – some of the most prolific, outstanding players who toured extensively. Bands who didn’t have the social network that we have today. Bands who didn’t need to rely so much on the peripheral elements that surrounded playing live shows. You are right about professionalism, established bands no matter how big or small, will always retain their mindset to just PLAY, so musicians, good musicians, will always know the score.

    That said, I completely feel your frustration. Promoters need to set a standard that encourages bands to purely focus on the job in hand without having to worry about whether the D.I works or whether the sound guy knows about live music. I hope now that Oxford is yet again in the limelight, promoters and organisers don’t rest on their laurals and really think about their role in making this scene what it is today.

     

  • Anonymous

    Bang on the money. This is why Space Heroes started putting our own gigs
    on, since we realised how easy it is if you’re organised. One of the things I would like to do is email out a standard contract
    with all necessary information in it to the bands we put on, so that everyone knows where they
    stand.

    I have never understood why disorganised people promote gigs. We’re not all of an organising disposition (I definitely am).

  • Grey Children

    Big AGREE with everything that is said here.

  • Guest

    Couldn’t agree more. The hardest thing is to find a gig which is going to be appropriate for a band. It seems easy to just lump three bands on a bill and say job done but when neither band fit together how on earth can you expect to pull a crowd that enjoy that ‘style’ of music. Facebook, Twitter etc are all fine but the night as a whole needs to be thought about! You want to get people excited about hearing new music, get them to see your band but sometimes it does feel like the same bands play over and over. Not all bad of course but why not trust in new music for a change?

  • Anonymous

    Flattered to see GTI suggested as a benchmark – although it’s sort of depressing, as simply mastering the basics shouldn’t really be a cause for celebration.  We do strive to do things efficiently.  Luckily, being an anal control-freak promoting is the ideal job for me…seems to me that deciding to promote without any interest in organisation is like deciding to run a magazine without any interest in the English langauge (Hello there, Open View).

    For the record, when GTI was started our promoting influences were a) The Point, for promoting tons of high quality, excellently organised nights, b) Truck, for being adventurous enough to think big (erm…well, maybe not TOO big, in hindsight), c) Klub Kak, for being prepared to say, fuck it, we’ll do whatever we want, regardless.

    Can I write the equivalent article, offering advice from promoters to performers?  It would go, “Shut up and do what you’re bloody told”. 
     

  • H.

    Bravo.

    And may I just add that I will go to my grave believing in the ‘one guest per band member’ rule!

    If you’re paying the band, and paying them well, fine, perhaps there is room for negotiation, though I can’t imagine why anyone would want to restrict the number of audience members. (People = atmosphere/energy.)

    But if the band is getting NOTHING for playing, the LEAST you can do is let girl/boyfriends in for free. You’ll actually be doing yourself a favour by letting in people that are guaranteed to know the material and will clap along and fill up that awkward empty space in front of the stage. Also, they’ll be buying drinks, so at least the venue will be happy.

    Do I sound like an old man?

  • GUEST

    Here here. Last week I turned up to play a gig in London and the promoter greeted me with “I think I’ve broken my hand so I may have to go to hospital”. He had a swollen finger.
    Who are these people and why do they think they are promoters? If you’re a local band then I’d suggest cutting out the middle man and putting on your own nights. Then you can actually promote the event and pay the bands. Bands are usually more organised than most promoters and generally do a better job.

  • Allege

    Am equally disappointed by promoters who manage to progress up to larger events such as putting on festivals etc after earning the support of their local scene and the local bands who have bought them this security, only to use their position to state how hip they are. It’s pretty disheartening after many years of hard work to be passed up for something over ‘this really cool band who are so cool they like.. haven’t even played a gig yet.’ pssh.

  • Martin NA

    This is a great piece – sad thing is – I don’t think any promoters will read it (apart from Gappy) …

    I always used to make a point of sending out a standard info check to the promoter if we got asked to play saying – this is what we need to know if you want us to play – all fairly straightforward – and if they couldn’t get back to you with the info then you knew the gig wasn’t worth playing.

    That’s not to say if they could get back to you with the info that it was worth playing – recalls sitting in a field waiting to go on 4 hours late to play for someone who just lost it on the day and locked themselves in the car – seemed to be well organised up to that point.

    I did get sick of promoters not paying bands – but paying themselves – well – to be honest – I still do. If you’re going to put on a gig – be realistic – and at least give a band their bus fair home – it costs a small fortune to play music – gear – rehearsals – recording – and there is no bigger insult than playing a great gig and bringing people along to see you and then having the promoter tell you there is no money.

    If you can’t afford it – don’t promote it.

    You all have very strange names.

  • GUEST

    Like with record labels, promoters who are in it for the cash returns are probably promoters to avoid (unless your an established band who will pull hundreds of people in to your gig)
    Agenda-less apathetic promoters who seem to want to be promoters more than they want to promote a band also are a problem (if your not going to put the effort in to properly promote your night other than a nightshift post then your probably wasting everybody’s time, your own and the bands)
    I see it on Nightshift all the time certain promoters trying to fill slots ‘bands needed any style fine’ ect….what’s the point in putting the night on if there isn’t a plan other than ‘oh ill put a night on’ get in the game or get out!
    Bands are not stupid they can usually spot the good promoters (the ones who do have an agenda, who do put the effort in, who are ambitious, these are the promoters who will be respected by there customers (bands and audience)
    Theres some great promoters in Oxford, 3BM, Daisy Rogers, HasLegs, Back And To The Left et al…..thers also some shocking ones……pick well bands!

  • Jamess

    Hello – I’m Jamess who runs Moshka at the Wheatsheaf. First
    of all I’d say that the OP has got it pretty much on the nail. In order for the
    event to run well then those issues need to be addressed

    What,whom, where, when (why is optional – do you seriously need
    any agenda beyond entertaining people so they enjoy a good night out?) , times,
    back line haggling etc.

    The latter (back line) I leave to the bands to sort out.
    It’s common knowledge that a headlining band will provide a full drum kit and
    support bands provide the breakables. Anything else is negotiable and best left
    to musicians themselves – as a noisenik myself I vastly prefer using my own set
    up ( I can make a guitar sound like a dalek on fire plunging down a liftshaft
    with my rig) and tbh I’m a bit reluctant these days to lend out gear since a
    couple of bands have blown speakers/amps and their only offer of compensation
    has been to shrug shoulders and say “ it just stopped”. Big boys rules apply
    here. So, as a promoter, I keep well out of it since band members
    attitude varies from “ I must have my own bits” to “ can’t be arsed to lug my
    bassamp upstairs”.

    OP is completely right that it takes more than ads in
    Nightshift & Facebook to advertise an event. They’re damn useful things,
    these online wotsits, but a few old fashioned ideas like posters & flyers
    might just help too. I’ll often bung posters in the colleges (36, containing a
    potential audience of thousands). Don’t be cynical out there folks – I’ve often
    had a walk up of a dozen or so since they hunt in packs and there’s nowt wrong
    in tapping up an entire populace and generation of people who could be
    completely ignorant of the wonderful dynamics of live music.

     

    Communication with bands – I’ll speak with bands via e-mail,
    phone, PM through Nightshift & Faceplant. Those usually do it. Myspace is
    dire these days, which is tragic since it used to be so good for finding bands,
    booking them and talking with them. Sometimes there’s an interval with comms,
    since I have a job and Must. Look. Busy. Nighttimes I’m usually nowhere near a
    computer, thankfully.

     

    Ah yes – money. Thank you for raising the issue. Alog with
    y’all I’ve probably lost gazillions over the years by playing in bands, but
    that goes with the therapy. I’ll not earn a living promoting either. Booking
    the Wheatsheaf costs me £90. I like to pay bands since it’s a straightforward
    way of thanking them and paying respect for what they do. If I make any money,
    it gets distributed. If I don’t then there’s none forthcoming since I cannot
    afford to subsidise bands that don’t draw any audience. If you want to play a
    gig, are you seriously not going to ask anyone to attend? I ask since I’ve put
    bands on that blatently haven’t made any effort to ask anyone along.

    Guests? Certainly – I’ve always gone on the premise of one
    guest per band member. That’s why I’ve not booked the Polyphonic Spree.

    Cheers for the whinge about promoters asking for bands on
    Nightshift. It is actually remotely possible that bands withdraw from gigs
    since their drummer has exploded or whatever, in which case I occasionally put
    out a call for bands. Why do I not cancel the gig instead? Because there’s
    usually a couple of other bands who have made arrangements to play and I’ll not
    mess them around for the sake of one act pulling out.

    There’s loads more i could add, but instead I’ll be off soon
    to spend the evening promoting the forthcoming gig at the Wheatsheaf this
    Saturday. Pop along if you like?

  • Anonymous

    “That’s not to say if they could get back to you with the info that it
    was worth playing – recalls sitting in a field waiting to go on 4 hours
    late to play for someone who just lost it on the day and locked
    themselves in the car – seemed to be well organised up to that point.”…Boy, do I remember that one, Martin! 😉 x

  • Leesmilex

    this is overly long and self important i feel – growing up in bands is tough and shit – that is why they call it cutting your teeth!
    yes promoters can be shit – so put on your own gig. it’s not hard, really and then everything runs as you want it too and if not you have more sympathy with the promoters after. i think they’re are two many local bands playing too much at too many venbues for too many promoters. you yourself said ‘”I’m an Oxford-based musician and play in a small-time local band that gigs regularly, usually several times a month at least” – now either u are playing too much or you are led zeppelin and nede not worry about actually filling a venue! while promoters should do their bit to plug a gig and have their own audience – if a band does not make the effort to bring people (that is not just facebooking about a gig btw) and plays a nother venue in town within a month they should be blacklisted – back when we had less venues, less promoters and less internet bitching we had a full, diverse scene with plenty of busy gigs and not as much seggragation (sic?) between gigs and scenes. bear in mind that unless bands pull people the promoter does not make any money and therefore cant justify as much time spent on promoting well. we all need to eat after all. way to many musicians (especially in oxford) act like the city is lucky to have them when it’s the opposite way around – don’t believe me? move to a town where the music scene is fractured, disorganised and unsupported. i am not being nasty and anyone who has played for me knows i am a fair dude who tries hard and pays if there is cash so i don’t even fall into the categories above but still think it sounds like whining when it’s so easy to put on gigs (as i decided to). lee :-)x

    p.s. can’t help but think your argument would be stronger for having your name attached – but that’s very oxford music scene of u – anonymously complaining so no one realises its you so it does not affect whether u are liked or booked!  

  • http://www.facebook.com/thejoechapman Joe Chapman

    Good comments, very constructive and nice to see some different perspectives on this.

    I think the whole advertising thing is a tricky one. Really I guess it depends on the level that the band and promoter are at and the gig itself. I think gigs that are more cohesive in terms of a rough theme, style of bands, a promoter with a good brand are more likely to sell themselves through word of mouth. I think word of mouth is the best way to get your night known but then it’s a case of getting those words into people’s mouths.

    For a rock gig at places like The Bullingdon Arms, The Wheatsheaf etc I wonder how effective advertising in colleges is? Is there any evidence to support that it ever gets noticed? That said – if you can afford the time (and money) why not? Maybe it’ll only get noticed by 1 person but that 1 person may tell 10 others. Questionable though, look at your advert and question – why would they?

    On the other hand I think online advertising is a lot more valuable. For example – A Facebook ad to target approxminately 150,000 people in Oxfordshire interested in things like “rock music” etc could cost around £13. The ad can be simple, advertising a gig, pay per click and the link on the ad takes people through to your band website where not only are there more details about the gig and links to promoters websites but also your music. Even if it doesn’t bring anyone into your gig (which it can) it still at very least gets your band name around, circulated to at least tens of thousands of people, straight into their homes, phones etc. No poster whizzing by as you’re driving past. That’s just those who see the advert and don’t click through. Those that do click through have a greater chance of going to the gig but also becoming a fan of the band, particularly if you have clear links on every page to your bands social networking sites.

    No surprise – I’m going against the general anti Facebook sentiment, I’m arguing that advertising on social networking is actually more effective than sticking up posters. If you can do it, do both.

    I know som people think that everyone ignores adverts on Facebook – well I think they are right – when it’s a big company doing it. Not when it’s some band from Oxford though! I think people are more likely to check your advert out because you aren’t some big cocky organisation pushing a product that you’re not interested in. I suspect (from my own experience) that people in a way sub conciously ignore certain adverts but will notice others.

  • Martin

    Jo – do you advertise on Facebook using adverts?

    Just asking because I have never seen a Facebook ad advertising an event in Oxford – maybe I have just become blind to the ads as they appear on my side bar.

    Just wondering if anyone has done it – we were going to advertise a gig that way recently – but because we’d never seen one – decided against it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585985423 Ian Watts

    Well said. Really good article. Thanks for writing it.